25 September, 2010

Why Can't I Get Better at That?

I think for a lot of players of the latest editions of "The World's Most Popular RolePlaying Game" (that cracks me up every time I read it) one of the big draws of the new system is skill progression. Sure, there's some sort of progression in most games of the type, regardless of edition, but this is advancement explicit to a specific, identifiable action. If all the combat tricks (for example) you try are just rolled into a big globular minute of summable action, then of course those tricks are all getting better as you go up in level. For a lot of players though, they want explicit quantification of this neat thing they can do.

Now, I have a lot of ideas about why they want that, and also about why they feel they're not getting the satisfaction they want from attempting to Do Things. For the time being, though, I'm going to wave past that. Instead, I'm going to propose what in some cases might prove to be a band-aid, or in some cases might actually end up adding a fun extra to the festivities. I think the best way to impart this might be an example:

Bernaise: Can I try to shield rush this guy in these crusty old rules from the 80s?
Troll: 70s..
Bernaise: Whatever man, I want to charge little-doghead-boy and Knock Him Down baby!
Troll: Sure, you can try practically anything. Just make a regular attack roll.
Bernaise: But what if I've practiced shield rushing things? What if I'm like.. Mr. Shield Rush?
Troll: Well, you haven't yet, so go ahead and give it a try. I think it would be stretching believability quite a bit to think medieval-style training would specialize to that fine a degree, but everything starts somewhere :)
Bernaise: If I do it all the time, is there any way I can get better at it?
Troll: A +1 bonus for anything is a pretty big deal in this game. A longsword does 1d6 damage, but that enormous zweihander does 1d6+1. And that little-doghead-boy has even less hit points than that.
Bernaise: It doesn't make any sense though, that if I'm constantly trying to trip people or shield rush them or jump over pits that I'd never get any better at it.
Troll: It does if your guy doesn't have any ability in that.. as I recall, you practiced and practiced and practiced to learn how to sing, and you still sound like sh..
Bernaise: Yeah, yeah, I know... but my character is a fighter, and this is a fighting thing.
Troll. Okay.. make your regular roll to hit. Every time you try to shield rush, whether it's a success or not, YOU make a checkmark or something, and keep track of it. Then let me know what the total is the next time you make a level.
Bernaise: Sweet!!! I'm successfully limiting my options to excel in an easily expressed specialty!! Woot!!
And there was much rejoicing. I think it can be seen to make a moderate amount of sense, and it shouldn't terribly unbalance anything. I think I'd probably do something like subtract his strength from 100 and want to see that many attempts at level-up time to give him a +1 shield rush, or some other effect, maybe a stunned opponent, a morale check or execute a 10 foot withdrawal, or various other possibilities.

Granted, I'd rather handle these things on the fly. I think they work better that way, and then both the DM and the Player can come up with something unique that really fits each specific situation. Of course, that means the DM has to take on the responsibility of making each fight or trap or parley a unique and specific situation, even just in how it's described. I think if a player is still having trouble expressing on-the-spot detail, but they do want to try, this can be a pretty harmless semi-solution. It's still completely specialised, and case-by-case, which I like.

Let me know if you can think of similar things a character might try learning, and how you might go about deciding whether they've learned it or not.

The Troll


cyclopeatron said...

Careful... this could be a slippery slope. At first it's Shield Rush. But why not "Sword Thrust" or anything else next? In my game I would assume all combat moves, including Shield Rush, were part of normal practice and training. Normal level advancement would cover this practice/experience in the game.

I personally would treat Shield Rush as a normal attack, maybe with a ability check (Dex or Dex/Str) to see how well it worked. If the player REALLY wants to specialize they would need to seek (and pay for - time or gp) special training, and possibly this would give them a bonus to the ability check.

Just my view... I have a personal weariness of the slippery slope of special abilities.

migellito said...

Careful... this could be a slippery slope.

I agree, and this is a definite concern. One possibility (and this is my id talking) would be that about halfway through the process the player would have an epiphany and say "this is more trouble than it's worth!" Which.. well.. it is.

I think finding a trainer for Ability X is a nice way to go about it as well. Not only is the player doing something realistic in seeking out the advice of a master, but they're also divesting themselves of resources, and most importantly creating a great opportunity for some interesting roleplaying.

Again though, it's going to take a lot of time, prohibitive to learning more than any one thing at a time, and just like the self-training (which would take vastly more time) I wouldn't have gaining a bonus this way be a sure thing. Those +1's are a hard won commodity in ODnD, and I'd want to make sure that never changed. I'm thinking at the time when he or she really wants to put their knowledge to use in a life or death situation, it's time for some sort of roll to determine if they really 'got it.' Test time :)

Also, since anyone can at least 'try' any of these type of tricks or moves, for the effect I might just put a penalty on the foe's chance to resist it - almost like some systems' penalty to save vs. a highly intelligent wizard's spells.

Thanks for the input, it's appreciated!